Enemies of the State

Today we celebrate American Independence. Do you want to know what I’m thinking today? I don’t often use this page for my political points of view, but I will today and many of you who are not interested are free to ignore it. I have never been more concerned for the present and future of our country. The noble ideal of a country founded on equal rights and equal justice under the law has seriously eroded in recent decades. Just because I don’t often write about that, doesn’t mean I don’t care about what’s being done with the American Promise. I care deeply and as a responsible citizen I speak up in whatever venues I think will be helpful for our country’s future. At the same time, however, my hope is not in humanity or politics. While essential for the public order, governments over time always tend toward rewarding a powerful elite, corruptly so, in hopes that the masses will feel powerless to stop it and quietly go along. We stand at such a crossroads today.

As much as I celebrate the ideal of freedom, I also mourn it’s passing. In 1776 our country threw off the restraints of a distant king who saw fit to tax the populace whenever he saw fit to increase his personal wealth. Our forefathers found the rule of royalty so onerous and unfair that at great personal risk to their lives and fortune, they announced their independence and risked their lives on the battlefield to win it. They established a country based on the idea that all of us are created equal and that government should seek a greater common good with justice for all and not create a ruling class of powerful or wealthy citizens with special benefits.

The last eight years has made it clear that a new royalty has emerged in America. No, it isn’t a royal family, but an incestuous relationship between Wall Street bankers and Washington politicians who consider themselves above the rest of us and thus entitled to great wealth and privilege. In the past two administrations we saw that both Democrat and Republican officials were willing to give billions of dollars to reward those who fraudulently caused the financial crisis, while ignoring those who were victims of it. How many politicians go to Washington hoping to make a difference and instead become part of the problem, while their personal wealth grows exponentially? Even those who go of modest means, soon become multimillionaires and then trade their government contacts for careers as lobbyists when their time is up. Public service has lost its meaning. Washington and New York have become an extravagant culture to themselves with little concern for the problems of middle America. Instead of seeking a common good for all, our politicians continue to manipulate the process for their own power, prestige and fortune. State governments are not exempt from this as well, and perhaps California is the worst of all in bankrupting our state to push for their own gain.

People decry the entitlement culture where people are made more dependent on the state, rather than accepting responsibility for their own lives. But our mushrooming entitlement culture certainly doesn’t begin with the poor, but the wealthy ruling class, who consider themselves entitled to special government protection and perks while their fellow-citizens suffer. They continue to vote benefits for themselves and their cronies while they defraud the American public.

We are no longer a nation of laws that seeks to treat all citizens fairly, but a nation of lawyers, some of whom have helped to rig a political and legal system that rewards the rich and well-connected. The new enemies of the state in my view are those politicians, authors, news pundits, and “news analysts” who trade on polarizing the public by lying about the opposition as well as their own ambitions. Until the American people demand better of their politicians and turn off their 24-hour news channels it will be impossible to rebuild a civil political discourse that actually tackles the large and significant problems that confront our country. It may well take a new third party that ignores those on the far left and far right and works to construct a fair and just society for us all. I have more confidence that most conscientious citizens understand common sense and fair play better than anyone in the upper echelons of our political process.

But I will still vote in the upcoming election and make my voice heard, however small. The only way it will matter is if others also reject the current players in our system and move demand that future elected officials change the climate in Washington and the realities of political service. If America is going to change it will happen because voters are less gullible to the manipulations of our political process and seek out statesmen and stateswomen to send to Washington and our state houses to clean up the mess of our current generation of corrupt politicians. Here’s what I’m looking for:

  • People who tell me why I should vote for them and what they are going to do, and not telling me why I shouldn’t vote for their opponent. I don’t need to be told what I want to hear, I want to be told what they really believe. I want to hear real policies on the economy, immigration reform, tax policy, the use of our military in the world, and what the will practically do to move beyond partisan gridlock.
  • People who are willing to make the difficult decisions to bring our spending in line with our income and not put the burden of our indulgences on the next generation. If my father’s generation was The Greatest Generation for their self-sacrifice in World War II and beyond, the Baby Boomers could be known as the Indulgent Generation for not only consuming the vast wealth of this nation, but stealing from the future of our children and grandchildren as well.
  • People who seriously want to change how business is done in Washington. Both of our last Presidents promised to do that and yet governed as despicable, partisan hacks. Everyone says we need it, but no one will do it, because solving problems is not in either party’s self interest.
  • A Congress that does not exempt itself from laws they pass for the rest of us. How dare they vote laws for us that they do not apply to themselves! That is the height of arrogance and flies in the face of our ideal that all are created equal. They need to be part of social security and not their own pension system. We need a return to citizen politicians who go to Washington to serve the public not garner benefits for themselves, nor come out and work as lobbyists. All Congressional and executive branch officials should be prevented from working for lobbying firms for ten years after hold office.
  • A simplified tax code a child could understand that does not reward special interests nor create special tax shelters for the wealthy.
  • True campaign and governance reform to limit the influence of special interest money that results in corrupt politicians, and special privileges for a few. It is not just politicians that our corrupt, our very system corrupts those who get involved with it.
  • An end to Presidential pensions when former presidents command speaking fees upwards of a quarter of a million dollars and book contracts in millions.
  • Will any of these things happen in my lifetime? That is up to the voter, of course, and it will take many election cycles, not just this one. Will we just continue to fall in line with the pandering of both political parties, or will we demand that they change or create a new part with better ideals? Time will tell. If we just keep sending the same kind of people to Washington that we’ve been sending for the past 30 years, we cannot expect anything to change.

    But as I said when I started this, my hope in life or in America’s future is not in politics. God’s work is going to continue to go forward in the world even if our society spends itself into bankruptcy and bondage. God does some of his best work in people in times of scarcity and crisis, than he is able to do in times of prosperity and bliss. So while I lament the corruption of our political process and the distortion of our founding ideals, I nonetheless am overjoyed that I am part of a kingdom that is not founded on human greed, but on the love and power of God. That kingdom cannot be shaken no matter what happens in our world.

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    1. Sophie Doell July 4, 2012 at 11:18 am

      I’m with you on this, Wayne. Hoping for a turn around soon, for the sake of my children and future grandchildren.

    2. Theresa Lode July 4, 2012 at 11:22 am

      Wayne, I especially enjoyed this detour from your usual topics. Your observations and articulation of the issues are spot on. Thanks so much for sharing and putting words to my words-escape-me view of our nation’s state of affairs.

      Hope you are well….

    3. Chris Atkinson July 4, 2012 at 11:31 am

      Well said Wayne… I too stand with you… and you too Sophie

      Chris T Atkinson

    4. Dave Aldrich July 4, 2012 at 11:40 am

      Wayne, I appreciated your analysis and conclusions. Though I think the “ship has sailed” and there is no coming back to the America that once was. The US is heading the way of the rest of the world and it’s an increasingly dark and evil direction. God’s work will continue for sure, until He says it’s done. He remains the world’s only hope, but more and more continue to turn a deaf ear to Him even though He’s been shouting quite loud lately. His peace to you, Bro.

    5. Jeff Shurmer July 4, 2012 at 11:46 am

      Well said, Wayne, and an accurate description of the way things have become. I find it fascinating that even during the Civil War, until about 1863, the Lincolns continued to open the White House to any and all who wanted to socialize with the president on Sunday afternoons. Even the idea of such a thing today would never enter people’s minds. Sad!

    6. Sue Hanauer July 4, 2012 at 12:54 pm

      Wayne,

      There is one hope out there this term, but we won’t see much of him in the media. They don’t like him. Democrats don’t like him because of his fiscal restraint and Republicans don’t like him because of his social stance. He is running for president on the Libertarian ticket and his name is Gary Johnson. He was our governor(Republican) for two terms (both in a landslide) in the state of New Mexico that runs 3 to 1 Democrat. We are at the bottom of every list because our legislature has ALWAYS been democrat, and the people here really depend on government handouts. But Gary Johnson pulled us out of the hole in the first couple years and ran us in the black. Then he gave up politics and went and climbed Mt. Everest. But he’s back and his policies he puts forth make so much sense it makes my heart soar.

      But since there is a virtual media blackout on him, he doesn’t have much chance. This is why we only have the corrupt ones in government…the good ones get blacklisted.

      I like what you said here and my thoughts mirror yours. Good thing we have a God who is greater than our politicians…

    7. BobbyJo Newell July 4, 2012 at 12:57 pm

      enjoyed this article, thanks for sharing, praying for our children and grandchildren

    8. Sophie Doell July 4, 2012 at 2:18 pm

      I’m with you on this, Wayne. Hoping for a turn around soon, for the sake of my children and future grandchildren.

    9. Theresa Lode July 4, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      Wayne, I especially enjoyed this detour from your usual topics. Your observations and articulation of the issues are spot on. Thanks so much for sharing and putting words to my words-escape-me view of our nation’s state of affairs.

      Hope you are well….

    10. Chris Atkinson July 4, 2012 at 2:31 pm

      Well said Wayne… I too stand with you… and you too Sophie

      Chris T Atkinson

    11. Mark Heard July 4, 2012 at 2:31 pm

      Im in Australia, & sadly this applies as much here as it does in the US.

    12. Dave Aldrich July 4, 2012 at 2:40 pm

      Wayne, I appreciated your analysis and conclusions. Though I think the “ship has sailed” and there is no coming back to the America that once was. The US is heading the way of the rest of the world and it’s an increasingly dark and evil direction. God’s work will continue for sure, until He says it’s done. He remains the world’s only hope, but more and more continue to turn a deaf ear to Him even though He’s been shouting quite loud lately. His peace to you, Bro.

    13. Jeff Shurmer July 4, 2012 at 2:46 pm

      Well said, Wayne, and an accurate description of the way things have become. I find it fascinating that even during the Civil War, until about 1863, the Lincolns continued to open the White House to any and all who wanted to socialize with the president on Sunday afternoons. Even the idea of such a thing today would never enter people’s minds. Sad!

    14. Sue Hanauer July 4, 2012 at 3:54 pm

      Wayne,

      There is one hope out there this term, but we won’t see much of him in the media. They don’t like him. Democrats don’t like him because of his fiscal restraint and Republicans don’t like him because of his social stance. He is running for president on the Libertarian ticket and his name is Gary Johnson. He was our governor(Republican) for two terms (both in a landslide) in the state of New Mexico that runs 3 to 1 Democrat. We are at the bottom of every list because our legislature has ALWAYS been democrat, and the people here really depend on government handouts. But Gary Johnson pulled us out of the hole in the first couple years and ran us in the black. Then he gave up politics and went and climbed Mt. Everest. But he’s back and his policies he puts forth make so much sense it makes my heart soar.

      But since there is a virtual media blackout on him, he doesn’t have much chance. This is why we only have the corrupt ones in government…the good ones get blacklisted.

      I like what you said here and my thoughts mirror yours. Good thing we have a God who is greater than our politicians…

    15. BobbyJo Newell July 4, 2012 at 3:57 pm

      enjoyed this article, thanks for sharing, praying for our children and grandchildren

    16. jacob stevens July 4, 2012 at 5:10 pm

      Wayne, I agree with most you wrote here, except the part about campaign finance reform. I used to think that was a good idea, but have come to the conclusion that it is looking at the problem the wrong way. We need to take away the incentive to influence politics. I am not very eloquent in my argument so I will post a quote

      “Special interest money has a huge influence in Washington, and it has a tremendous effect on both foreign and domestic policy. Yet we ought to be asking ourselves why corporations and interest groups are willing to give politicians millions of dollars in the first place. Obviously their motives are not altruistic. Simply put, they do it because the stakes are so high. They know government controls virtually every aspect of our economy and our lives, and that they must influence government to protect their interests. Our federal government, which was intended to operate as a very limited constitutional republic, has instead become a virtually socialist leviathan that redistributes trillions of dollars. We can hardly be surprised when countless special interests fight for the money. The only true solution to the campaign money problem is a return to a proper constitutional government that does not control the economy. Big government and big campaign money go hand-in-hand.”

      “We need to get money out of government. Only then will money not be important in politics. Campaign finance laws will not make politicians more ethical, but they will make it harder for average Americans to influence Washington.”

      RON PAUL

    17. Mark Heard July 4, 2012 at 5:31 pm

      Im in Australia, & sadly this applies as much here as it does in the US.

    18. jacob stevens July 4, 2012 at 8:10 pm

      Wayne, I agree with most you wrote here, except the part about campaign finance reform. I used to think that was a good idea, but have come to the conclusion that it is looking at the problem the wrong way. We need to take away the incentive to influence politics. I am not very eloquent in my argument so I will post a quote

      “Special interest money has a huge influence in Washington, and it has a tremendous effect on both foreign and domestic policy. Yet we ought to be asking ourselves why corporations and interest groups are willing to give politicians millions of dollars in the first place. Obviously their motives are not altruistic. Simply put, they do it because the stakes are so high. They know government controls virtually every aspect of our economy and our lives, and that they must influence government to protect their interests. Our federal government, which was intended to operate as a very limited constitutional republic, has instead become a virtually socialist leviathan that redistributes trillions of dollars. We can hardly be surprised when countless special interests fight for the money. The only true solution to the campaign money problem is a return to a proper constitutional government that does not control the economy. Big government and big campaign money go hand-in-hand.”

      “We need to get money out of government. Only then will money not be important in politics. Campaign finance laws will not make politicians more ethical, but they will make it harder for average Americans to influence Washington.”

      RON PAUL

    19. Kathleen July 4, 2012 at 8:16 pm

      John Bergin was right; you speak the truth. Thank You.

    20. Ken Jacobsen July 4, 2012 at 8:18 pm

      Sadly, I think the ship has sailed on a once great and free nation. It is bad when once guaranteed fundamental rights and freedoms are stolen from a sleeping populace by folks who pledged to uphold them. The media ensures the slumber with regular medication of fluff and distractions.

      We are also conned into accepting the choices they have laid out for us, the either/or propositions that equate to two sides of the same coin, when in fact we are looking at a gem with much brighter facets than the Obamney proposition. They represent the same benefactors that have their bets hedged no matter the outcome.

      I am hopeful that Father will sort things out in spite of how intractable things are. Tyranny and corruption eventually collapse under their respective weights. I am more impressed as things unfold that He is calling us to be a refuge for one another when the ship hits the sand and to follow Him closely as He leads us through it.

      Faith in the powers that are soon not be and dry theologies will not cut it; only trust in His voice and provision and to love one another will prevail.

    21. Anne McGowan July 4, 2012 at 11:06 pm

      Uk is not exempt either. On top of all you have said, which applies almost without exception here too, we have an unelected house of Lords founded on power and privilege whose interests are solely based in their bank accounts.
      But, we have a God who is bigger, my trust is in him.

    22. Kathleen July 4, 2012 at 11:16 pm

      John Bergin was right; you speak the truth. Thank You.

    23. Ken Jacobsen July 4, 2012 at 11:18 pm

      Sadly, I think the ship has sailed on a once great and free nation. It is bad when once guaranteed fundamental rights and freedoms are stolen from a sleeping populace by folks who pledged to uphold them. The media ensures the slumber with regular medication of fluff and distractions.

      We are also conned into accepting the choices they have laid out for us, the either/or propositions that equate to two sides of the same coin, when in fact we are looking at a gem with much brighter facets than the Obamney proposition. They represent the same benefactors that have their bets hedged no matter the outcome.

      I am hopeful that Father will sort things out in spite of how intractable things are. Tyranny and corruption eventually collapse under their respective weights. I am more impressed as things unfold that He is calling us to be a refuge for one another when the ship hits the sand and to follow Him closely as He leads us through it.

      Faith in the powers that are soon not be and dry theologies will not cut it; only trust in His voice and provision and to love one another will prevail.

    24. Anne McGowan July 5, 2012 at 2:06 am

      Uk is not exempt either. On top of all you have said, which applies almost without exception here too, we have an unelected house of Lords founded on power and privilege whose interests are solely based in their bank accounts.
      But, we have a God who is bigger, my trust is in him.

    25. Dzach July 5, 2012 at 6:10 am

      “Your Kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”

      Let us earnestly pray these words, not just as some ritualistic formula or mantra, but beseeching and agreeing with Father that His desires be done and His Kingdom manifest in the world around us starting with ourselves.

    26. John July 5, 2012 at 7:28 am

      A friend of mine recently had a conversation with a 13 year old girl. The girl, said she’d awakened one morning and began to have a vision. She didn’t know what to call it so she called it an awake dream. she said that Jesus spoke to her about what he was showing her and said “I’m coming back. There will be enough time for your generation to have children of their own”. what strikes me about this is that in falls in tune with what I’ve been seeing as well. I have been telling my own kids that I can see them having children, but I don’t see the next generation. I just can’t. It’s a blank spot. In all seriousness, God seems to be putting more and more pieces together between his children that seem to say the same thing from different angles. We are short of time. I see an outpouring and a falling away. A great wave. Also a likely collapse. A whole lot is happening right now and it is unlike before. Something has and is changing. More and more people keep talking about their dreams, their visions that seem to spell out a confirming message of spreading hope for millions under the dark, looming clouds of the coming antichrist. I’m not afraid, I am quickened.

    27. Dzach July 5, 2012 at 9:10 am

      “Your Kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.”

      Let us earnestly pray these words, not just as some ritualistic formula or mantra, but beseeching and agreeing with Father that His desires be done and His Kingdom manifest in the world around us starting with ourselves.

    28. Sue July 5, 2012 at 9:20 am

      Wayne, thank you so much for writing this. It’s so frustrating to listen to the news, everyone is pointing fingers at each other, but no one is making the hard decisions. We aren’t children, stop trying to sugar coat everything, give us the truth and how to fix this mess, no matter how hard it is. I could retire next year, but with the way the economy is, I might not be able to. I have a granddaughter that I don’t want to have to carry the burdens we are putting on the next generation. We’ve become a country with our hands out, expecting the government to take care of us. I also hate having the politicians telling us what the other guy has done, instead of telling us what he will do. I’m so thankful we have a Father that is there for us, that will be with us no matter what happens.

    29. John July 5, 2012 at 10:28 am

      A friend of mine recently had a conversation with a 13 year old girl. The girl, said she’d awakened one morning and began to have a vision. She didn’t know what to call it so she called it an awake dream. she said that Jesus spoke to her about what he was showing her and said “I’m coming back. There will be enough time for your generation to have children of their own”. what strikes me about this is that in falls in tune with what I’ve been seeing as well. I have been telling my own kids that I can see them having children, but I don’t see the next generation. I just can’t. It’s a blank spot. In all seriousness, God seems to be putting more and more pieces together between his children that seem to say the same thing from different angles. We are short of time. I see an outpouring and a falling away. A great wave. Also a likely collapse. A whole lot is happening right now and it is unlike before. Something has and is changing. More and more people keep talking about their dreams, their visions that seem to spell out a confirming message of spreading hope for millions under the dark, looming clouds of the coming antichrist. I’m not afraid, I am quickened.

    30. Sue July 5, 2012 at 12:20 pm

      Wayne, thank you so much for writing this. It’s so frustrating to listen to the news, everyone is pointing fingers at each other, but no one is making the hard decisions. We aren’t children, stop trying to sugar coat everything, give us the truth and how to fix this mess, no matter how hard it is. I could retire next year, but with the way the economy is, I might not be able to. I have a granddaughter that I don’t want to have to carry the burdens we are putting on the next generation. We’ve become a country with our hands out, expecting the government to take care of us. I also hate having the politicians telling us what the other guy has done, instead of telling us what he will do. I’m so thankful we have a Father that is there for us, that will be with us no matter what happens.

    31. Silvio July 5, 2012 at 1:42 pm

      That’s exactly it my friend. And you can tell the same about all politic system everywhere in the occidental world. Just that when you say left and right wings makes me smile, as I live outside the US, where you have REAL left and right in politics. I’d say center-left and center-right for your 2 parties (?) over there… 🙂 In my country, they would be both right winged. But as I said, your comments apply to all democracies in Europe as well.

    32. Stephen July 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm

      Wayne, to be honest, I think it is much like organized religion: You can send in the best people with the highest and most noble motives, but in the end either the system will corrupt them, or they will leave. I think this is the way of the world and worldly governance, whether of the (small “c”) church, or the state.

      On a different note, a book I just read called IOU made what I thought was a good point, which is that the US in particular and the West in general are no longer in a dialectic relationship with another worldview, and this is at the root of a lot of the loosening of our secular morals in the last 20 years.

      What I mean is this: There used to be two systems – Capitalism and Communism. Not only were they power structures in particular geographical areas, but each was a philosophy about how the world ought to be that competed with the other.

      So, for example, when there was some incidences of water boarding in the Vietnam War, soldiers were court martialed. Why? Because the Western powers still had some sense of moral restraint. They wanted to be able to keep some sort of high ground from which they could criticize the communist regimes.

      In the same way, there was some sense of restraint in the way business was carried out and the way society was run. Of course, the way capitalism works by nature creates different levels of wealth. But there was a sense of restraint on the part of the rich, and some degree of social conscience to assist those who were at the bottom. Again, I think it was because in the West we wanted to feel that we were “better” than those communists and our system produced better results, for rich and poor and all those in between.

      Since 1989, Capitalism has enjoyed a triumphalist party. But without the restraint of a competing world view, everything has gone crazy.

      Now water boarding is policy, not something that will land you in the brig, and there is almost a celebration of the yawning chasm between haves and have nots, since this is (obviously) the result of Capitalism being unleashed in its purest form.

      I think there is more to it than just this. But this argument does make sense as, without God’s Spirit guiding and restraining you from the inside, the only thing that has any hope of generating the mildest amount of restraint is external pressure. The competition with Communism has gone, and Western leaders are no longer constrained by this competition, but neither do most have God’s Spirit inside them moving them either.

    33. Silvio July 5, 2012 at 4:42 pm

      That’s exactly it my friend. And you can tell the same about all politic system everywhere in the occidental world. Just that when you say left and right wings makes me smile, as I live outside the US, where you have REAL left and right in politics. I’d say center-left and center-right for your 2 parties (?) over there… 🙂 In my country, they would be both right winged. But as I said, your comments apply to all democracies in Europe as well.

    34. Wayne July 5, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      Stephen, many of the Russians I was with in April would agree with you. Though they have fully rejected communism, they also see the failures of capitalism. Is it better? Absolutely? Is capitalism the best humanity can come up with. Maybe. But it can’t be unrestrained if people are cheating the system and each other to get a better deal for themselves. I’ve seen a very strange thing happen when people get around significant chunks of money, they begin to believe that they actually deserve it, that they are better than other people in the culture who haven’t found their way to it and then end up doing whatever they can to get even more. You really can’t serve God and mammon. It just doesn’t work, as Jesus told us it wouldn’t.

    35. Stephen July 5, 2012 at 6:44 pm

      Wayne, to be honest, I think it is much like organized religion: You can send in the best people with the highest and most noble motives, but in the end either the system will corrupt them, or they will leave. I think this is the way of the world and worldly governance, whether of the (small “c”) church, or the state.

      On a different note, a book I just read called IOU made what I thought was a good point, which is that the US in particular and the West in general are no longer in a dialectic relationship with another worldview, and this is at the root of a lot of the loosening of our secular morals in the last 20 years.

      What I mean is this: There used to be two systems – Capitalism and Communism. Not only were they power structures in particular geographical areas, but each was a philosophy about how the world ought to be that competed with the other.

      So, for example, when there was some incidences of water boarding in the Vietnam War, soldiers were court martialed. Why? Because the Western powers still had some sense of moral restraint. They wanted to be able to keep some sort of high ground from which they could criticize the communist regimes.

      In the same way, there was some sense of restraint in the way business was carried out and the way society was run. Of course, the way capitalism works by nature creates different levels of wealth. But there was a sense of restraint on the part of the rich, and some degree of social conscience to assist those who were at the bottom. Again, I think it was because in the West we wanted to feel that we were “better” than those communists and our system produced better results, for rich and poor and all those in between.

      Since 1989, Capitalism has enjoyed a triumphalist party. But without the restraint of a competing world view, everything has gone crazy.

      Now water boarding is policy, not something that will land you in the brig, and there is almost a celebration of the yawning chasm between haves and have nots, since this is (obviously) the result of Capitalism being unleashed in its purest form.

      I think there is more to it than just this. But this argument does make sense as, without God’s Spirit guiding and restraining you from the inside, the only thing that has any hope of generating the mildest amount of restraint is external pressure. The competition with Communism has gone, and Western leaders are no longer constrained by this competition, but neither do most have God’s Spirit inside them moving them either.

    36. Wayne July 5, 2012 at 8:11 pm

      Stephen, many of the Russians I was with in April would agree with you. Though they have fully rejected communism, they also see the failures of capitalism. Is it better? Absolutely? Is capitalism the best humanity can come up with. Maybe. But it can’t be unrestrained if people are cheating the system and each other to get a better deal for themselves. I’ve seen a very strange thing happen when people get around significant chunks of money, they begin to believe that they actually deserve it, that they are better than other people in the culture who haven’t found their way to it and then end up doing whatever they can to get even more. You really can’t serve God and mammon. It just doesn’t work, as Jesus told us it wouldn’t.

    37. Ron C. July 5, 2012 at 9:58 pm

      From our perspective, various types of democratic governments are a Godly way of governing, especially when compared to the “divine right of kings” or some other style of totalitarianism. However from God’s perspective, are all of these forms government just a case in missing the point?

      According to Dallas Willard, the major topic of the four gospels is the kingdom of God. N.T Wright states it a little differently; the main theme of the gospels is God becoming king. In other words, God came to establish a separate nation here on earth ruled by a very loving and benevolent king and we are the citizens of this called out nation.

      I guarantee that none of you should have the desire to be ruled by me, or God forbid by a bunch of “me’s”. But isn’t this a simplified definition of a true democracy? Jesus came to establish a theocracy, not a democracy. Relying on any other form of government is just a case is missing the point of why Jesus came.

    38. Ron C. July 6, 2012 at 12:58 am

      From our perspective, various types of democratic governments are a Godly way of governing, especially when compared to the “divine right of kings” or some other style of totalitarianism. However from God’s perspective, are all of these forms government just a case in missing the point?

      According to Dallas Willard, the major topic of the four gospels is the kingdom of God. N.T Wright states it a little differently; the main theme of the gospels is God becoming king. In other words, God came to establish a separate nation here on earth ruled by a very loving and benevolent king and we are the citizens of this called out nation.

      I guarantee that none of you should have the desire to be ruled by me, or God forbid by a bunch of “me’s”. But isn’t this a simplified definition of a true democracy? Jesus came to establish a theocracy, not a democracy. Relying on any other form of government is just a case is missing the point of why Jesus came.

    39. Jacob S. July 6, 2012 at 11:09 am

      I wonder if what we have is actually capitalism though. With the federal governments hand in everything, from producing money out of thin air, controlling the interest rate, price controls, subsides, corporate welfare, foreign policy controlled by corporate interests. I don’t think we have had capitalism in this country for a while, we have had more of a Keynesian inflationsim, interventionism, and corporatism.

      And if we believe the lie that there reason for the economic problems is because of the lack of government involvement, (where actually it is because of too much involvement (the housing crisis was a direct result of congress getting involved in the housing market) and we need more government, then things will only get worse.

      What we need, I believe, is a return to sound money, a return to the constitutional role of the Federal Government, enforce the rule of law, while allowing people the liberty to pursue their happiness, while not infringing on others, and protecting life.

    40. Jacob S. July 6, 2012 at 2:09 pm

      I wonder if what we have is actually capitalism though. With the federal governments hand in everything, from producing money out of thin air, controlling the interest rate, price controls, subsides, corporate welfare, foreign policy controlled by corporate interests. I don’t think we have had capitalism in this country for a while, we have had more of a Keynesian inflationsim, interventionism, and corporatism.

      And if we believe the lie that there reason for the economic problems is because of the lack of government involvement, (where actually it is because of too much involvement (the housing crisis was a direct result of congress getting involved in the housing market) and we need more government, then things will only get worse.

      What we need, I believe, is a return to sound money, a return to the constitutional role of the Federal Government, enforce the rule of law, while allowing people the liberty to pursue their happiness, while not infringing on others, and protecting life.

    41. Will Pearce July 6, 2012 at 11:45 pm

      The more I get to know my Father, the more optimistic I become. It’s not that I believe that (magically) the world is just going to get better and better every day, but because I am seeing more and more people’s hearts turning from religiosity to a living, vital relationship with our Father and (as the Kingdom spreads) I believe that “a little leaven leavens the whole lump.”

      This doesn’t mean that I believe that we shouldn’t discuss particular political solutions. (Term limits, anyone? I’m also intrigued by the idea of limiting political pensions.) We just need to always remember that those discussions are ancillary to walking in the light, and shouldn’t become our primary passions.

    42. Will Pearce July 7, 2012 at 2:45 am

      The more I get to know my Father, the more optimistic I become. It’s not that I believe that (magically) the world is just going to get better and better every day, but because I am seeing more and more people’s hearts turning from religiosity to a living, vital relationship with our Father and (as the Kingdom spreads) I believe that “a little leaven leavens the whole lump.”

      This doesn’t mean that I believe that we shouldn’t discuss particular political solutions. (Term limits, anyone? I’m also intrigued by the idea of limiting political pensions.) We just need to always remember that those discussions are ancillary to walking in the light, and shouldn’t become our primary passions.

    43. Ron C. July 10, 2012 at 10:19 am

      I recently came across an essay that may possible add to this discourse. It was composed by Jamal Jivaniee and it carries a captivating title, “Why I Decided to Move to a New Nation”. I will allow Jamal’s composition to speak for itself. It can be accessed at
      http://jamaljivanjee.com/2011/09/why-i-decided-to-move-to-a-new-nation/

    44. Ron C. July 10, 2012 at 1:19 pm

      I recently came across an essay that may possible add to this discourse. It was composed by Jamal Jivaniee and it carries a captivating title, “Why I Decided to Move to a New Nation”. I will allow Jamal’s composition to speak for itself. It can be accessed at
      http://jamaljivanjee.com/2011/09/why-i-decided-to-move-to-a-new-nation/

    45. Pat July 12, 2012 at 7:11 am

      Wayne
      I just reread your post from 11/05/2008 because it stands out to me to this day. I’m so thankful that you have come to the real issue in the USA with this post today. I agree with you for what it’s worth.
      Pat

      http://lifestream.org/blog/2008/11/05/what-a-great-day-in-america/

    46. Pat July 12, 2012 at 10:11 am

      Wayne
      I just reread your post from 11/05/2008 because it stands out to me to this day. I’m so thankful that you have come to the real issue in the USA with this post today. I agree with you for what it’s worth.
      Pat

      http://lifestream.org/blog/2008/11/05/what-a-great-day-in-america/

    47. Michele July 15, 2012 at 9:57 am

      I don’t know if you’ve read “Myth of a Christian Nation” by Greg Boyd, but I think you’d love it Wayne!

    48. Michele July 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm

      I don’t know if you’ve read “Myth of a Christian Nation” by Greg Boyd, but I think you’d love it Wayne!

    49. Ron C. July 15, 2012 at 5:48 pm

      Michele,
      I also highly recommend “Myth of a Christian Nation” by Greg Boyd.

      This month Bruxy Cavey, from the Meeting House in Canada, posted a podcast where he stood in for Greg at Woodland Hills. It’s a part of series called “Ordinary Radicals” and this podcast is entitled “Anabaptist Invasion”. It ties in well with the subject matter of this post. Here’s the link if you’re interested
      http://www.themeetinghouse.com/teaching/archives/2012/ordinary-radicals/anabaptist-invasion-5270

    50. Ron C. July 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm

      Michele,
      I also highly recommend “Myth of a Christian Nation” by Greg Boyd.

      This month Bruxy Cavey, from the Meeting House in Canada, posted a podcast where he stood in for Greg at Woodland Hills. It’s a part of series called “Ordinary Radicals” and this podcast is entitled “Anabaptist Invasion”. It ties in well with the subject matter of this post. Here’s the link if you’re interested
      http://www.themeetinghouse.com/teaching/archives/2012/ordinary-radicals/anabaptist-invasion-5270

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